News Flash: Legal Job Market Sucks

by lawshucks on May 6, 2010

Nathan Koppel took a turn writing for the WSJ proper, explaining the plight of recent law-school graduates to the general public.

Understanding that he’s not writing for those of us who obsess over this subject, we’ll forgive him for what may be the understatement of the year:

The situation is so bleak that some students and industry experts are rethinking the value of a law degree, long considered a ticket to financial security.

Only some?  OK, maybe there are some deluded students who haven’t caught on yet, but how can there be an industry expert who isn’t “rethinking the value of a law degree.”  If you’re not, you’re not an industry expert now, are you?

More after the jump (including our frustration with the whole OCI system).




[LAWGRAD]Whom should we blame?

Part of the problem is supply and demand. Law-school enrollment has held steady in recent years while law firms, judges, the government and other employers have drastically cut hiring in the economic downturn.

Should we really expect law schools to turn away suckers willing to pay?  Or are the applicants just being duped by schools’ continuing efforts to game the system to advance their own interests?

We tend to think of the firms as the clients of law schools, so how can we blame them?  It’s not the customer’s fault if the supplier doesn’t scale back to meet demand.  So how have firms been affected?

Morrison & Foerster LLP, a 1,000-lawyer San Francisco-based firm, hired about 30% fewer graduates this year than in the prior year. “It would not surprise me if all firms cut back on hiring law graduates for a couple of years,” said Keith Wetmore, its chairman. Saul Ewing LLP, a 250-lawyer Philadelphia firm, cut hiring of law graduates this year by about two-thirds.

But surely this will all sort itself out, right?

Many 2009 law graduates who were offered jobs just started work this year. And many graduates hired in 2010 won’t start until 2011. So even when the economy picks up, firms would first have to absorb their backlog of recent hires.

Nope.  And that’s what we’ve been saying for a year and a half now.  The pipeline will remain overstuffed until firms either skip a class entirely or trickle off enough smaller classes to finally get back to reasonable input levels.

And as long as they have to keep hiring people more than two years before their start dates, projecting needs will remain a disaster.  It doesn’t look like that will change any time soon, either – percentage of summer offers was one of three statistics WSJ broke out in the fancy infographic.

One of our biggest pet peeves is the absurdity of Fall OCI for second years, which results in de facto employment offers based on just one year’s grades for someone to start more than two years later.

Would anyone other than lawyers run a business that way?

  • Nick

    Hold onto your jobs, boys and girls. I have a feeling the wild ride has only begun.

  • Nick

    Hold onto your jobs, boys and girls. I have a feeling the wild ride has only begun.

  • laidoffdiary

    I think this quote: "The situation is so bleak that some students and industry experts are rethinking the value of a law degree, long considered a ticket to financial security" is about 5-6 years too late.

    I think back in the day, a law degree meant you could get a good job at a good firm, make partner, buy a nice house for your pretty wife, an SUV, and pay for your kids' swim lessons at the local country club or do well swindling people.

    I think even in my year, lots of law students across the country ended up living at home after graduating, were excited when a crack head brought him $50 to defend him in court, moved furniture on the side, etc. Before, during OCI, I would hear that people were just handing out BigLaw jobs. Even in my year, people were happy to land a gov't job.

    I also think it's terrible that many kids with great grades from great schools who got what they thought were great jobs were screwed out of those jobs (deferred start dates that ended up in a rescinded offer) and because other firms already had their sheep tagged, they couldn't take on these other kids even when these kids may have better stats than the tagged sheep.

    People used to think, get good grades, go to a good law school, get a good job. What happened to the last step? Now that's what really sucks.

  • laidoffdiary

    I think this quote: "The situation is so bleak that some students and industry experts are rethinking the value of a law degree, long considered a ticket to financial security" is about 5-6 years too late.

    I think back in the day, a law degree meant you could get a good job at a good firm, make partner, buy a nice house for your pretty wife, an SUV, and pay for your kids' swim lessons at the local country club or do well swindling people.

    I think even in my year, lots of law students across the country ended up living at home after graduating, were excited when a crack head brought him $50 to defend him in court, moved furniture on the side, etc. Before, during OCI, I would hear that people were just handing out BigLaw jobs. Even in my year, people were happy to land a gov't job.

    I also think it's terrible that many kids with great grades from great schools who got what they thought were great jobs were screwed out of those jobs (deferred start dates that ended up in a rescinded offer) and because other firms already had their sheep tagged, they couldn't take on these other kids even when these kids may have better stats than the tagged sheep.

    People used to think, get good grades, go to a good law school, get a good job. What happened to the last step? Now that's what really sucks.

  • Ado

    What's going on in the above charts for legal applies to a lot of other industries as well, all over the economy. Fall of 2008, when the above charts show the drop off for avg. # internships offered dropped to 30, was when we saw the first wave of hiring freezes. Fall 2009 looks pretty brutal, but it was brutal everywhere. The people packing into law schools today, despite the dismal statistics, probably think they're riding out a lousy economy for three years, and they're probably right.

  • Ado

    What's going on in the above charts for legal applies to a lot of other industries as well, all over the economy. Fall of 2008, when the above charts show the drop off for avg. # internships offered dropped to 30, was when we saw the first wave of hiring freezes. Fall 2009 looks pretty brutal, but it was brutal everywhere. The people packing into law schools today, despite the dismal statistics, probably think they're riding out a lousy economy for three years, and they're probably right.

  • LawNow

    Hopefully things pick up in the next two years when I graduate. My loans will be $130,000 plus and I need a high salary to pay them back. Someone told me you can't even get rid of these loans in bankruptcy.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/lawshucks lawshucks

      Bankruptcy discharge is probably one of those things you should have found out about before incurring the debt…

      • LawNever

        I'm confused.
        1. Why did you not know about bankruptcy discharge before you went to law school? It's old news.
        2. Why have you not done your diligence to confirm this besides stating "someone told me…" and then hoping someone will confirm this on a legal blog.
        3. Are you sure you want to be a lawyer? As in, are you sure you can make it as one?
        4. Cosmetology school is hiring.

        Lawshucks: I'm don't care about law students. If I wanted to read about them, I'd go to ATL.

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