Calling All Inhouse Counsel: Turn on the Lights!

by lawshucks on August 26, 2010

Commenter Publius asked this question on one of the previous posts:

What exactly is the salary range for in-house counsel? Is there one that can even be arrived at or is it simply too disparate an array? Perhaps making this information available discreetly would make individual attorney’s bargaining positions slightly stronger; a blog might serve as a perfect medium for such an endeavor…

We’ve already written pretty extensively about the factors that make up a pay package for an inhouse job.  See: Pay Day!, Pay Off!, Pay Up!, and Pay Me!, for example.

After the jump we provide a bit of history, make an (unsatisfactory) attempt at answering, and propose a solution.




Clearly, one of the best things that ever happened to BigLaw associates was the rise of the blog, or more specifically in the earlier days, message boards.

Greedy Associates did more for salary transparency than any NALP directory or firm marketing materials.  The combination of the rise of the board (circa 1998-2000) coincided with an explosion in demand for legal services.  Firms could no longer make generic statements about matching market and rely on ambiguity and lack of communication to keep associates in the dark.

More importantly, word of every raise quickly spread throughout the market and managing partners were faced with explaining why they hadn’t, or when they would, match Gunderson Dettmer or whatever upstart was bumping salaries and paying huge bonuses.

Good times were had by all (associates – partners and clients, not so much).

There’s no such resource for inhouse for a number of reasons (most of these have been addressed in the previous posts linked above, btw):

  • inhouse compensation includes many more components than just the base and bonus structure at firms;
  • inhouse jobs are far more unique than associate jobs;
  • companies in the Fortune 100 have much less in common with each other than firms in the AmLaw 100 (industry, size, location, etc.); and
  • inhouse jobs are meant to be for longer terms (lifetime career) than associate jobs (up or out).

It’s almost impossible to get a real apples-to-apples comparison.

But we’re willing to give it a shot.

Here’s what we propose.

Any of our readers can submit information about his or her inhouse job and comp. As soon as we get 14 submissions, we’ll include our own information and put them all up in a table, completely anonymized.  Hopefully that will get the ball rolling.

Here’s what we envision – let us know if there’s more/less/other information you think appropriate:

  • employer – is or isn’t Fortune 100/500, industry, location (city or region)
  • job – is or isn’t a manager, line of business or corporate service, type of practice (litigation, transactional, special service (employment, tax, etc.)
  • employee – graduation year, time spent in BigLaw
  • comp – base, bonus, long-term, any other big perks

Bear in mind, this is supposed to be a mutually beneficial activity, so let’s try to keep it on the level.

We promise to keep any submissions completely confidential.

That’s it!  Start sending in those details.

  • Guest

    i make 135,000.

  • Johnny Bankruptcy

    I'd love to see this info. Please everyone send in your stats.

  • guest

    I know a general counsel at a major company that makes roughly that of a senior partner at a major NYC firm (so around US$2.5M).

    • lawshucks

      General counsel comp is easy to find. Corporate Counsel does an annual survey that hits all the GCs that are NEOs of public companies, and thus have their comp included in the companies' proxies. We're trying to collect information on staff jobs.

      At some point, we'll put together an input form and provide a little more guidance on what we're doing and why.

  • wildcatter

    I think this was a great idea, but there needs to be some geo info for every commentator so that this data can be analyzed properly. Different areas of the country and cost of living play a part in all of this…..i know, everyone already knows all of that. Bottom line, i can state that salary levels in this 532 square mile city are at $135k-associate level in house, with senior level packages running average $350k to $2.5million as well.

    This city has 4 major sectors (very unique) in that oil/gas, medical-invention, IP, genetics, and engineering/software are all growing astronomically-exponentially here. Hard to get a handle on this issue here but those are some specifics.
    This is a good idea……cheers!

    wildcatter

    • lawshucks

      Duly noted. We're going to start out with broad brushes on regions and industries so people don't feel like they'll be too easily identified, but if there's enough response we'll try to fine tune it so it's more useful as a sanity check/reference point for people making the jump (or assessing their current situations).

    • Woefull

      I'd like to know what 532 square miles Wildcatter is referring to. I'm apparently woefully underpaid at $93K with 7 yrs experience. I need to move!

      • lawshucks

        Probably Houston. Send in your details and we'll get the ball rolling on some comparators.

  • DCLawMama

    Great idea! I work in-house for a trade association (not quite on target, I know). In DC. 10 yrs experience. General work (sub specialties in govt contracts, environmental management, ethics & compliance). No previous BigLaw exp. Base salary $118,000. Bonus ~$20,000. 35 hr work week. Pension + 5% 401K match. 80% Subsidized health insurance. 4 wks pd vaca/yr.

  • Ted Stryker

    What's with the "prove you're human" field on the contact us link?

    • lawshucks

      stupid plugin wasn't working right but should be now. you can always just email admin (at) lawshucks (dot) com

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  • Guest

    Washington, DC area public company, finance industry, transactional practice, 10-15 years experience (5 at law firm), base $195k w/ 0-20% bonus opportunity (depends on company performance) in cash and/or LT equity, 3% matching 401K, strong health benes, 4 wks vaca.

  • guest

    CA…19 years corporate generalist…private company….160K

  • guest

    Houston, TX – Worldwide energy firm – 10 years in-house, not manager, no biglaw, female $103K

  • Guest

    Seattle, WA
    Soft IP
    privately held co.
    10 years 3@big law
    $165K base + 0-25% bonus
    Average benes
    3wks vaca

  • Fred

    NC
    140k salary
    10 yrs exp / 5 with big law
    IP, Lit, Emp, Corp Transactions,
    4 person legal dept
    No bonus
    No 401k match
    Health bennies were acceptable at one point but getting worse every year
    3 weeks vac
    Surrounded by complete dimwits posing as business people

  • guest

    Readers of Corporate Counsel were advised today that a resource does exist for salaries of in-house counsel. It is the ALM Law Department Benchmarking Survey. If you have a mere $870.00 you can purchase this information. I guess if you are a highly paid biglaw associate, you can afford to pay this kind of money to find out how little you will make in-house! Now that your bubble is busted, go back to work.

  • GC Govt Services

    Austin, Texas
    165k salary + 10% bonus
    12 yrs exp / 2 with big law
    Lit, Emp, Corp Transactions,
    1 person legal dept
    Equity/bonus tied to company performance
    6% 401k match
    90% of health benefits paid
    4 weeks vac
    Surrounded by complete dimwits posing as business people (thx, Fred…great line)

  • guest

    San Francisco, CA
    GC – 1 person department
    consumer packaged goods
    18 years experience/7 with big law
    private company, $100mm revenue
    $195k + 15% bonus potential
    options
    4 weeks vacation

  • Samuel

    Privately Held Company, revenue ~$750M
    Westchester, NY
    GC/Sec/VP (sole attorney)
    manage Professionals (not legal)
    High Technology/ medical/ industrial/ consumer
    16 years experience
    Base: 130, 30% bonus potential
    Good healthcare/retirement
    Company car/gas/maintenance
    4 weeks vacation

  • Steve

    Southern NJ public company
    Utility/Energy industry
    7 yrs. exper./ 2 at big law/ 2 in house
    $103k base
    10% cash bonus
    10% restricted stock
    Health/dental
    5% 401k match
    2 wks. vaca.
    Others in my "band" in the company, in HR, IT, etc., make much more.
    Ditto on the dimwits.

  • Samuel

    I would suspect there are more than 14 posts to this. Where is that compiled current listing located?

    Clearly, I want to further depress myself.

    • lawshucks

      Coming! Real world has been interfering lately.

  • guest

    Big multinational industrial conglomerate
    16 yrs biglaw/5 in-house
    managing US litigation
    $300K base, 50% bonus target, match on retirement contribs up to 6% of total comp
    restricted stock, health/dental, 3 wks vacation
    if we had no dimwits, I wouldn't have a job.

  • Guest

    Northern Virginia 15 years; 3 with SEC; 12 years with 3 Fortune Companies
    securities law/compliance exp
    $195K plus 35-40% bonus; match on 401K, health 3 weeks vaca

  • eddie

    Rockies
    PE-owned medium sized company
    AGC, all commercial matters
    10 years BIGLAW, 2 years inhouse
    $185 base, 40% bonus
    small 401k match
    As many dimwits here

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